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Science Friday ·Oct 1, 2026 ·18 min

Are natural history museums going extinct?

Evaluation and Summary

5.6/10

Science Friday examines the financial and operational crisis facing natural history museums in America, prompted by the Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University's announcement that it cannot afford to remain open to the public, alongside rumors of closures at other institutions like the Sternberg Museum in Hays, Kansas. The episode brings together two museum leaders with deep expertise: Dr. Jason Cryan, executive director of the Natural History Museum of Utah (the largest in the intermountain west), and Barbara Thiers, director emerita of the New York Botanical Garden and research associate at Denver Botanic Gardens. Through their discussion with host Flora Lichtman, the episode explores the systemic challenges threatening these institutions—likely including funding pressures, operational costs, and changing visitor patterns—and addresses what happens to irreplaceable collections if museums close. The framing suggests the episode will examine whether natural history museums face existential threats comparable to extinction events, making it a timely investigation into cultural and scientific infrastructure.

Verdict: A timely, well-guest episode on an important cultural issue that likely delivers solid information in a tight format, though the brief length and lack of episode content limit confidence in depth and execution.

Science rubric

  • Scientific accuracy n/a

    Show notes describe the topic and guests but provide no specific claims to verify; episode content not available to assess factual accuracy.

  • Clarity for non-experts n/a

    No indication of how complex concepts are explained; guest credentials suggest accessible discussion but cannot judge delivery without hearing the episode.

  • Sense of discovery 3/5 25%

    The topic—museum closures and collection preservation—is timely and likely unfamiliar to general audiences, though the framing suggests coverage of known institutional challenges rather than novel research.

  • Substance 3/5 25%

    18 minutes with two qualified experts discussing a multifaceted problem suggests solid content, but length constraints and reliance on show notes make it difficult to assess whether depth or padding dominates.

  • Delivers on its title 4/5 25%

    Title promises examination of museum extinction; show notes confirm discussion of closures, collection fate, and systemic challenges, with only minor uncertainty about depth of coverage.

  • Value for time 3/5 25%

    18 minutes is concise for a complex topic with two guests; likely efficient pacing, though show notes don't reveal whether the episode prioritizes breadth or depth.

How we score Science

Worth it if you care about cultural institutions, museum science, or the future of public access to natural history collections.

Based on the episode description. AI-generated; it can be wrong.

Show notes

Leaders of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University say they can’t afford to keep the museum open to visitors. And there are rumors that another natural history museum , in Hays, Kansas, may be closing its doors. What happens to the collections, and are museums going the way of the dinosaurs? Jason Cryan, from the Natural History Museum of Utah, and Barbara Thiers, formerly of the New York Botanical Garden, join Host Flora Lichtman to discuss the challenges of running a natural history museum. Guests: Dr. Jason Cryan is The Sarah B. George Executive Director of the Natural History Museum of Utah, the largest natural history museum in America’s intermountain west. Barbara Thiers is Director Emerita and Curator at New York Botanical Garden, and Research Associate at the Denver Botanic Gardens. Transcripts for each episode are available within 1-3 days at sciencefriday.com . Subscribe to this podcast. Follow our show on Instagram , TikTok , Facebook , and Bluesky @scifri and sign up for our newsletters . Got a science question that’s keeping you up at night? Call us: 877-472-4374 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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