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Dateline NBC ·Sep 23, 2026 ·31 min

Talking Dateline: The Man Who Loved Christmas

Evaluation and Summary

3.2/10

This is a behind-the-scenes discussion episode rather than a standalone investigation. Host Blayne Alexander sits with Dateline senior producer Allison Orr and producer Kim Krawitz to discuss their full-length episode "The Man Who Loved Christmas," which investigates the murder of Harold Allen in Indiana. The case began as a burglary investigation but uncovered a far darker crime: Harold's death, initially ruled natural causes nine months prior, was actually a poisoning. According to one of the burglars, Harold's wife Marsha and stepdaughter poisoned him using ethylene glycol mixed into a root beer float. The producers discuss the investigation's progression, the emotional toll on Harold's family, and share a podcast-exclusive body camera clip featuring burglar Steven White's interrogation, highlighting his talkative nature and cooperation with police. The episode concludes with assistant producer Jess Koernig answering social media questions about the case. The format is essentially a commentary track—producers reflecting on their reporting rather than presenting original investigation.

Verdict: A competent but thin bonus episode that works only as supplemental material for fans of the main investigation; casual listeners get little substance without listening to the full Dateline episode first.

True Crime rubric

  • Research depth 2/5 20%

    This is a meta-discussion of existing reporting rather than original research; listeners get secondhand accounts of the producers' work rather than direct evidence or new findings.

  • Storytelling 2/5 20%

    As a behind-the-scenes talk show, it lacks narrative structure; the format is conversational reflection rather than a crafted story arc.

  • Respect for victims 3/5 15%

    The description notes discussion of 'devastating impact on Harold's tight-knit family,' suggesting respectful framing, though the meta-format limits deep victim-centered exploration.

  • Substance 2/5 15%

    At 31 minutes, this is largely producer commentary and Q&A rather than substantive new content; listeners must listen to the full episode separately for the actual investigation.

  • Delivers on its title 3/5 15%

    The title 'Talking Dateline' accurately describes the format—it's a discussion show—but doesn't deliver the full investigation promised by the case title.

  • Value for time 2/5 15%

    A 31-minute bonus discussion requires listeners to also consume the full episode separately; the format feels like supplemental content rather than standalone value.

How we score True Crime

Worth it if you've already listened to "The Man Who Loved Christmas" and want behind-the-scenes producer insights and exclusive clips.

Based on the episode description. AI-generated; it can be wrong.

Show notes

Blayne Alexander sits down with Dateline senior producer Allison Orr and producer Kim Krawitz to discuss their latest episode, “The Man Who Loved Christmas.” As police investigated a burglary at the Indiana home of Marsha Allen, they were surprised to uncover a much bigger crime: murder. One of the burglars told investigators that Marsha’s husband, Harold, who had supposedly died of natural causes nine months earlier, had actually been poisoned by his wife and stepdaughter using a root beer float laced with ethylene glycol. Blayne, Allison, and Kim discuss the devastating impact on Harold’s tight-knit family. They also share a podcast-exclusive clip from the body cam footage of burglar Steven White’s conversation with police and talk about his unique gift of gab. Later, Blayne is joined by Dateline assistant producer Jess Koernig to answer questions from social media. Have a question for Talking Dateline? Send us a DM @DatelineNBC or leave a voicemail at (212) 413-5252 . Your question could be featured in an upcoming episode. Listen to the full episode of “The Man Who Loved Christmas”: https://swap.fm/l/dl_themanwholovedchristmas Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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