Lenval Logan: “We’ve Seen Better” | Grusch, UAP Footage & The Phenom App

Lenval Logan, a former UAP Task Force member and retired Air Force intelligence analyst, returns to discuss recent developments in UAP disclosure, particularly David Grusch's latest claims following his Joe Rogan appearance. Logan provides insider perspective on what was discussed within the Task Force and claims to have witnessed extraordinary footage during his tenure, including a large underwater object. He argues that the government's publicly released UAP footage does not represent the most compelling material available. Logan also addresses his involvement with Jason Sands and Joe Rogan, discusses what had and hadn't been vetted at the time, and shares a previously reluctant-to-discuss personal experience involving a mysterious blue figure. In the second segment, Matt Stevens from the Phenom app joins to discuss their citizen-science platform designed to document UAP sightings with verifiable video, sensor data, and clear chain-of-custody protocols—addressing the growing challenge of distinguishing AI-generated footage from authentic material. The episode positions itself as a reaction to current UAP discourse while introducing a technological solution to verification problems in the field.

Verdict: A competent insider-perspective episode with interesting anecdotal material and a practical tech solution, but limited by reliance on unverified personal testimony and lack of rigorous scientific grounding.

Science rubric

• Scientific accuracy 2/5 20%

  Anecdotal claims from Logan (underwater object, blue figure) lack independent verification; no mention of peer review or rigorous methodology for evaluating footage authenticity.

• Clarity for non-experts 3/5 20%

  Accessible conversational format, but assumes familiarity with Grusch, the Task Force, and prior episodes; newcomers may struggle with context.

• Sense of discovery 3/5 15%

  Logan's personal account of previously undiscussed blue figure experience offers novelty; Phenom app represents a practical innovation, though core UAP claims remain speculative.

• Substance 3/5 15%

  Mix of insider anecdotes, reaction commentary, and app discussion provides varied content; however, show notes suggest significant portions are personal testimony rather than documented evidence.

• Delivers on its title 4/5 15%

  Title promises reaction to Grusch and discussion of footage/app; episode delivers on all three elements, though depth on each varies.

• Value for time 3/5 15%

  At 99 minutes, covers multiple topics (Grusch reaction, personal experiences, app discussion) with reasonable pacing, though some segments may feel tangential to core UAP investigation.

How we score Science

Worth it if you're already invested in UAP disclosure narratives and want insider commentary from former Task Force personnel, or if you're interested in verification technology for citizen science.

Based on the episode description. AI-generated; it can be wrong.