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The Lawfare Podcast ·Oct 8, 2026 ·1h 22m

Rational Security: The “Too Much Molly” Edition

Evaluation and Summary

5.0/10

The Lawfare Podcast's "Rational Security" episode features Scott, Benjamin Wittes (Editor in Chief), Molly Roberts (Senior Editor), and Molly Reynolds (Brookings Institution) discussing three major national security and governance stories from late September 2026. The first segment covers "pocket rescissions"—an obscure budgetary maneuver where the Trump administration requested cancellation of $810 million in already-appropriated funds, timed to expire before Congress could review it under the 45-day review period. This follows a Supreme Court decision allowing a similar $4 billion foreign aid rescission. Senate Appropriations Chair Susan Collins, Democratic appropriators, and the GAO have called it illegal; seven states are suing. The discussion explores whether courts might use equitable remedies to suspend fund expiration dates and how far the administration will push executive control over federal spending. The second topic, "Poll Position," examines the Trump administration's election-reshaping campaign ahead of midterms. The Supreme Court allowed DHS to resume using its revamped SAVE citizenship database for voter roll screening, but federal courts have blocked other measures: the proposed mail-in-ballot rule, coercion of states to provide voter rolls, and withholding counterterrorism grants from states resisting the administration's election changes. The hosts assess which election safeguards remain intact and which face ongoing peril. The third segment, "Straining Credulity," addresses a death at Russia's Irkutsk Anti-Plague Research Institute. A 28-year-old lab technician died of severe pneumonia after alleged exposure to plague bacterium. Russian officials claim it was "pneumonia of unknown etiology" and told the WHO no plague was found among contacts. However, shifting accounts, disappearing local news reports, and Russia's documented history of biological weapons work—including ongoing U.S. assessments of an active offensive program—raise credibility questions. The discussion explores what is actually known and what Russia's biological research enterprise represents as a risk. The episode concludes with lighter "object lessons" featuring personal anecdotes from the hosts about Congressional procedures, legislative processes, and regional journalism. The show targets an audience already familiar with national security policy, legal procedure, and political institutions. It assumes substantial listener knowledge of recent court decisions, appropriations processes, and Russian intelligence matters.

Verdict: A competent policy discussion with timely topics and credible experts, but aimed at insiders already steeped in legal and political detail, with padding that dilutes focus.

Government rubric

  • Accuracy and sourcing 3/5 20%

    Show notes reference specific events (Supreme Court decisions, GAO position, state lawsuits, WHO statements) and named officials (Susan Collins), suggesting sourced reporting, but the notes don't detail primary sources or provide direct quo

  • Balance and context 3/5 20%

    The episode presents multiple perspectives (administration actions vs. court pushback, official Russian claims vs. credibility concerns) and acknowledges competing views, but the framing leans skeptical of the Trump administration's moves w

  • Clarity on what it means 2/5 15%

    While the notes describe what happened, they don't clearly explain real-world consequences for ordinary citizens—how pocket rescissions affect actual programs, what election changes mean for voters, or what a plague outbreak in Russia means

  • Substance 3/5 15%

    Three substantive policy topics with legal and geopolitical depth, but the notes reveal the episode includes lighter personal anecdotes and 'object lessons' that pad the runtime without advancing the main arguments.

  • Delivers on its title 4/5 15%

    "Rational Security" promises expert discussion of national security issues, and the episode delivers three timely topics (budgetary control, election integrity, biological threats), though the title is generic and doesn't signal the specifi

  • Value for time 3/5 15%

    At 82 minutes, the episode covers substantial ground but includes tangential personal stories and lighter segments that likely extend runtime without proportional informational gain for policy-focused listeners.

How we score Government

Worth it if you follow national security law closely and want expert analysis of recent court decisions and administration moves, but not if you need clear explanations of real-world consequences.

Based on the episode description. AI-generated; it can be wrong.

Show notes

This week, Scott sat down with Lawfare Editor in Chief and cohost emeritus Benjamin Wittes, Lawfare Senior Editor Molly Roberts, and Vice President and Director of Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution Molly Reynolds to talk through the week’s big news in national security, including: “Pocket Change.” Late on Friday, September 25, the White House sent Congress an $810 million “pocket rescission”—a request to cancel already-appropriated federal funding, timed so the money will expire at the end of the fiscal year on September 30, before the 45 days Congress has to review the rescission request. It’s the second time the Trump administration has used the maneuver after the Supreme Court let the pocket rescission of about $4 billion in foreign assistance funds go forward last year. Senate Appropriations Chair Susan Collins and Democratic appropriators have denounced the move as illegal, the Government Accountability Office agrees, and seven states (among other plaintiffs) have already sued. And this time, some district courts may be gravitating toward a novel, if largely untested, solution: using equitable and statutory authority to suspend the disputed funds’ expiration date. Could this measure help bring an end to pocket rescissions? And how far is the Trump administration willing to go in seeking to assert control over federal funds? “Poll Position.” With less than a month to go before the midterms, the Trump administration’s campaign to reshape U.S. elections is getting mixed results. The Supreme Court decided on September 25 to allow the Department of Homeland Security to resume using its revamped SAVE citizenship database to help states screen their voter rolls for noncitizens. But federal courts have pushed back on other measures, from the administration’s proposed mail-in-ballot rule, to efforts to coerce states into providing their voter rolls, to the withholding of counterterrrorism grants from states and localities that don’t adopt the administration’s preferred election changes. What part of our elections seem safe 30 days out, and which are still under peril? And what could the consequences be? “Straining Credulity.” Last week, a 28-year-old laboratory technician at the Irkutsk Anti-Plague Research Institute in Siberia died of severe pneumonia, reportedly after being exposed to the bacterium that causes pneumonic plague, prompting Russian authorities to quarantine a local hospital and place nearly 200 people under medical observation. Russian officials have since insisted she died of “pneumonia of unknown etiology” and told the World Health Organization on Tuesday that no plague has been found among her contacts. But shifting official accounts, disappearing local news reports, and Russia’s long history of biological weapons work—including the U.S. government’s assessment that Moscow still maintains an offensive program—have fueled concerns. What do we actually know about what happened in Irkutsk, and to what extent should we believe the official account being offered by the Russian government? And what does it tell us about the risks posed by Russia’s biological research enterprise? In object lessons, Molly L. is a notebook-carrying member of the pink soup club. Ben, in ingesting the Congressional Precedents into RAGtime, discovers what Senators may ingest on the floor. Scott expresses his concern over the state of the United States Code . And Molly E. once again makes the case for the pleasures of regionally produced NPR , with a story that manages to combine two of her favorite things: excellent local journalism and the legislative process. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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