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Terrestrials ·Oct 8, 2026 ·31 min

The Goths: Befriending Clever Crows

Evaluation and Summary

7.9/10

Terrestrials explores the relationship between humans and crows through the true story of Emma Terry, a cheerful, colorful woman who spent seven years leaving treats for crows in her cemetery neighborhood—a stark contrast to the birds' spooky reputation. The episode challenges the morbid stereotype surrounding crows by highlighting their remarkable intelligence: they can recognize human faces, use tools, and solve problems like dropping nuts into crosswalks for cars to crack open. Emma's curiosity about whether crows might reciprocate kindness by leaving gifts led her to conduct an informal experiment, leaving treats in a basket outside her home nearly daily. The episode features Dr. John Marzluff, a crow scientist and ornithologist, who helps listeners understand whether the bond Emma developed with the crows represents genuine interspecies friendship or a compelling narrative we impose on animal behavior. The show notes hint at a payoff—Emma eventually finds something glinting under her basket—though the full resolution isn't detailed in the description. The episode is framed as a Halloween-themed story that recontextualizes crows from harbingers of doom to intelligent, potentially affectionate creatures. The production credits indicate professional storytelling from WNYC Studios, with sound design and fact-checking, suggesting narrative depth and accuracy. The show encourages listener engagement through a newsletter, social media, and a free Crow Scientist app for citizen science participation. The episode balances personal narrative (Emma's seven-year journey) with scientific expertise (Dr. Marzluff's perspective), aiming to educate listeners about crow cognition while exploring the emotional question of whether animals can form meaningful bonds with humans. The 31-minute length suggests a focused, contained story rather than an expansive deep dive.

Verdict: A well-produced, fact-checked story that educates while entertaining, blending personal narrative with genuine science to challenge stereotypes and explore a compelling question about interspecies connection.

Kids & Family rubric

  • Age-appropriate and engaging 4/5 20%

    Halloween framing and a relatable protagonist with a quirky quest should engage kids; the crow intelligence angle is inherently fascinating for curious minds, though the full engagement depends on narrative execution not visible in notes.

  • Educational or emotional value 4/5 20%

    Teaches genuine crow cognition (tool use, face recognition) while exploring themes of kindness, friendship, and challenging stereotypes; the personal story arc suggests emotional resonance alongside factual learning.

  • Trustworthy guidance 5/5 15%

    Features a credentialed crow scientist (Dr. Marzluff) to contextualize claims; fact-checked by Sophie Samiee; encourages critical thinking about whether observed behavior equals friendship rather than accepting the narrative uncritically.

  • Substance 4/5 15%

    Combines personal narrative (Emma's seven-year experiment), scientific expertise, specific crow behaviors, and a concrete payoff moment; 31 minutes suggests focused content, though show notes don't reveal depth of tangents or padding.

  • Delivers on its title 4/5 15%

    Title promises befriending clever crows; episode delivers Emma's attempt to befriend them, crow intelligence examples, and scientific perspective on whether friendship is real—fully on-topic with slight ambiguity about the final answer.

  • Value for time 4/5 15%

    31 minutes is reasonable for a narrative-driven story with character, science, and payoff; pacing appears intentional (seven-year journey compressed into tight episode), though actual pacing can't be assessed from notes alone.

How we score Kids & Family

Worth it if you enjoy thoughtful nature storytelling, have curiosity about animal intelligence, or want to reframe Halloween's crow symbolism through a lens of wonder rather than spookiness.

Based on the episode description. AI-generated; it can be wrong.

Show notes

Spooky season is upon us and so we are bringing you a tale of Halloween’s eeriest avian mascot. Emma Terry is friends with basically everyone in her town. She personifies a rainbow—she has bouncy blonde hair, sparkly cat-eye glasses, and a closet full of bright colors. But for the last decade, she's been trying to befriend the one creature that seems like the opposite of her vibe: the cemetery-lurking, ominous crow. The more Emma observed and read about crows, the more their morbid reputation seemed… off. She learned crows drop nuts into crosswalks so car tires will crack them open, that they can recognize human faces, that they can use tools... She even heard a rumor that, sometimes, crows might leave gifts for humans who are nice to them. So she started leaving treats for them in a basket outside her home, nearly every day, for seven years. Then one summer morning, she looked under the basket and saw something glinting. Crow scientist and ornithologist Dr. John Marzluff helps us figure out whether a friendship between a person and a bird is a real thing, or just a story we wish were true. Special thanks to Emma Terry and Dr. John Marzluff. Check out Emma's art and ceramics at madebyemmapie.com . And if you want to help scientists study crows, download Crow Scientist , a free app made by John and Colleen Marzluff. Terrestrials was created by Lulu Miller with WNYC studios. This episode was produced by Tanya Chawla with sound design and editing by Mira Burt-Wintonick. Sarah Sandbach is our Executive Producer. Our team also includes Ana González, Alan Goffinski, Natalia Ramirez, and Joe Plourde. Fact checking by Sophie Samiee. HEY GROWN-UPS! Love the show? Leave us a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ rating and review on your podcast app—it helps curious listeners find us! Terrestrials is made possible in part by listeners like you. Support the show by joining The Explorers Club —and we’ll send you a special puzzle as a thank-you gift from our team! We want to hear from you! Share your thoughts about Terrestrials with us . Subscribe to our weekly newsletter for bite-sized essays, activities, and ways to connect with the show. Follow us on YouTube , Instagram , and TikTok for behind-the-scenes extras and more. Listen to original music from Terrestrials on Spotify , Apple Music , or our music page . Got a badgering question for the team? Email us at terrestrials@wnyc.org or submit a voice memo with your name, age, and your question using this form ! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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